Karl Schultz Wolynien
david j schultz 
, Montag, 11.12.2017, 03:49 (vor 3064 Tagen)
Hello
My name is Dave Schultz I am a descendant of Karl Schultz 8 Sept 1861 from Wolynien. Karl came to USA in 1891 on the SS Darmstadt if you have information on his history it would be fantastic.
Thank you for your time.
Dave
Re: Karl Schultz Wolynien
Irene König 
, Montag, 11.12.2017, 08:55 (vor 3063 Tagen) @ david j schultz
Hallo Dave,
da stimmt etwas nicht. Gibt es eine Passagierliste von 1891, auf der der Name von Karl SCHULTZ steht? Die "SS Darmstadt" ist im Jahr 1892 das erste Mal nach New York gefahren, aber nicht 1891. Im Jahr 1891 war das Schiff in Südamerika und Asien.
http://212.227.236.244/auswanderung/abfahrtsdaten/passagen.php?s=s&v=Darmstadt&...
Ohne zusätzliche Angaben können wir nichts über Karl finden. Aus welchem Ort in Wolhynien kam er? War er verheiratet? Namen der Kinder? Welche Dokumente hast du von Karl SCHULTZ und seiner Familie? SCHULTZ/SCHULZ ist ein sehr verbreiteter Name.
Irene
Re: Karl Schultz Wolynien
david j schultz , Montag, 11.12.2017, 12:47 (vor 3063 Tagen) @ Irene König
Hi Irene
I hope the attachment will attach on this email. In 1924 Karl Schultz was was traveling from Canada to USA. In the boarder crossing his documents state that he was married to Ida Ziebart who was born 3 July 1874 I have more information on Ida Ziebart and her family if that will help. Karl did have children but they were all born in Canada and the USA.
I have all the documents recording their births and following them on the census documents to their deaths.
I stated that Karl arrived 1891 but the 1924 Canada to USA boarder crossing and 1916, and 1921 Canadian Census states he arrived in really 1893 on the SS Darmstadt going to New York.
Thank you so much for all your help.
Dave
Hallo David,
kannst du bitte einen Link auf das Dokument setzen (USA boarder crossing)? Die Forumsoftware ist nicht geeignet für Bilder. Ist es dieses hier?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9DQ-5HRQ?i=7684&cc=2185163
Es wäre gut gewesen, wenn du die Dokumente vom Census 1916 und 1920 verlinkt hättest. Das hätte mir die Arbeit erspart, sie zu suchen.
1916
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/006003/t-21930/jpg/31228_4363959-00588.jpg
1920
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e002890226
Leider hast du etwas ganz wichtiges nicht erwähnt: dass Karl SCHULTZ (und seine Familie) Baptisten waren. Die Kirchenbücher der Baptistengemeinden im Gebiet Zhitomir sind leider nicht erhalten, also wirst du von dort auch keine Informationen bekommen.
Karl SCHULZ (27J.) ist 1893 mit seiner Frau Ernestine (26J.) und dem Sohn Ernst (10Mon.) in New York angekommen.
https://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiMTA0MDk2MDIwNDM2Ijs=/c...
Was ist aus diesem Sohn und der ersten Frau geworden? Karl besucht seinen Sohn 1924 in Detroit - ist es derselbe? Ist die Tochter Ida aus der ersten Ehe? Sie wurde etwa 1901 geboren und Karl lebte bis 1902 in den USA. Wann haben Karl SCHULTZ und Ida ZIEBART geheiratet? Ich denke, du musst ihre Heiratsurkunde finden, um vielleicht etwas über die Eltern von Karl zu erfahren.
Gruß, Irene
Re: Karl Schultz
david j schultz , Dienstag, 12.12.2017, 04:44 (vor 3063 Tagen) @ Irene König
Hello Irene
1895 Kansas Census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QL8K-M9ZF
William Schultz is my grandfather.
In 1924 Karl Schultz is traveling with his son Edward to see his other son William Schultz in Detroit Michigan.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X2TV-NTL
https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1075/m1464_500-0488?pid=1352786&backurl
Thank you so much for all of your help the different name spelling of Karl Schultz to Carl Schule was very helpful.
Any other guidance and help would be very much appreciated.
Dave
Re: Karl Schultz
david j schultz , Dienstag, 12.12.2017, 04:45 (vor 3063 Tagen) @ david j schultz
Hello Irene
I have answered some of your questions below:
What happened to this son and the first woman?
I do not know yet what happened to Karl Schultz's first wife Ernestine (26 years old) and their son Ernst (10 months old).
Karl visits his son in Detroit in 1924 - is it the same?
Yes it is the same William that is on the 1895 Kansas Census from above.
Is the daughter Ida from the first marriage?
Yes, Ernst, William and Ida are from the first marriage. She was born about 1901 and Karl lived until 1902 in the USA. IDA Schultz was Born 6 Oct 1898 Died 25 Feb 1979 Pontiac Michigan. She married Harold C Parlin.
When did Karl SCHULTZ and Ida ZIEBART get married?
I do not know this date or location yet.
So the Zhitomir region is going to very hard or impossible to get any good birth, marriage or death information for the Baptist?
Thank you so much for all of your help the different name spelling of Karl Schultz to Carl Schule was very helpful.
Any other guidance and help would be very much appreciated.
Dave
Dave,
Why didn't you post all that when I was asking for more information? It feels like I have been wasting my time in looking for details on your family.
the different name spelling of Karl Schultz to Carl Schule was very helpful.
SCHULE ist not a different spelling, it was a misreading by the indexer. On the document, the name is written SCHULC.
For more help finding Karl's marriage record you can subscribe on SGGEE's mailing list. Maybe someone on the list has some knowledge on Baptist marriage records in Canada.
https://sggee.org/communicate/mailing_list.html
Irene
Re: Karl Schultz
david j schultz , Mittwoch, 13.12.2017, 00:23 (vor 3062 Tagen) @ Irene König
Irene,
It is my first time on the site I did not know that I was supposed to post everything I have all at one time when I needed more information. I hope you don't feel like you have wasted your time you have been very helpful in helping me find my ancestors and that is a very important thing.
For example it was not until you helped me that now I know that all the German Baptist were in one area and that the indexer could misread the names on the documents. And that some people that I thought maybe my ancestors are indeed my ancestors. These are very important things for someone who is not as familiar with the tools available as say some others. So don't think you were wasting your time because you were not.
Thank you again for all your time and help.
Dave